Wiki Team Page/Problems

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This page was created in July 2019.

Translation system (October 2022)

By now most of the problems experienced with the translation system seems to have been resolved by the recent system upgrade. However, it does seem that there are some old issues, that still affect us - most likely due to corruption of the database:

  • Some existing translations that have been in the system for a long time are flagged as being in need of an update even though they are fully in sync with the corresponding English unit. Typically such units are not displayed as outdated on the translated page (ie. no red background) and do not show up in the LanguageStat page under outdated units, so it is not a major problem. However, sometimes units that appear this way actually should have been marked as outdated, so it is necessary to check them all.
  • I have sees a few examples where properly translatable links (Special:myLanguage/...) does link properly to the translated page when accessed from the English page but not when accessed from the translated page. This does not affect alle translatable links om that page. See fx the Danish translation of Kmail/Getting_Started. The same problem appeared on KMail - there I may have solved it by changing the link in the translated unit back and forth a couple of times. It remains to be seen whether this is a lasting solution.
    Note: Now (the next day) links on both pages appear to work. Btw. the problem showed on multiple transations, but not always with the same links.

DPL searches (updated October 2022)

In the past we have used an external DynamicPageList like plugin for advanced searching. That plugin is no longer maintained, and has been continued by another external plugin: DynamicPagelist3, which is now installed. However, it is not a drop in replacement for the old dpl plugin, so our searching templates must be adapted. Preliminary experimentation indicates that DynamicPagelist3 may not suit our needs.

I can not make includematch work, and that affect many searching templates, including finding pages that link to a given page, since dpl - like mediawiki itself - does not recognize Special:myLanguage links.

System issues

  • Special:WhatLinksHere is not reliable - maybe this is due to poor (or no) integration with the translation system? It may report that no page links to a page even though in fact there are pages linking to it. We should probably remove the tool from the panel, as it does more harm than good in its present state. Can we find a replacement? (User:Claus_chr/Search#Search internal links does the trick but is a bit awkward to use.)

    Result of using Special:WhatLinksHere on the page What is KDE. Note that the page Welcome to KDE UserBase should be in the list but isn't.

  • Searching for users: The search box at the top of our pages is not very helpful - it returns hits to all translated pages. Can it be replaced by a search box that respects the user language?
  • Searching for contributors: A lot of special-purpose search options can be found on User:Claus_chr/Search. However, these searches use DPL - an outdated extension. Should we update our search framework? (see above)

Copyright

After the 2020 update of the wiki software

  • Commenting system: all threads have been lost - it seems a plugin is missing
  • Translation system: Some old translations have been mangled and now have problems being translated. Needs investigation - who and what are affected? (only new units? only existing translations?)
  • DPL search: plugin needs to be installed
  • embedded video: does the {{#ev template still work?
  • {{Special:ContributionScores does not work anymore.

Issues as of January, 2021

  • On the panel on the left one bloc seems to be missing. Link to the "Special"-Pages is not there anymore.
  • Translation Systems seems not to work correctly. I have added two new German translations yesterday, but they do not show up on the German page [1]. However translations are there in the translation system. It seems that one step is missing on the update of translations.
  • And yes, embedded video template is not working. You may see it here. A plugin missing?

Well, I am not really a technical guy and I don't know how to investigate the cause of these issues, however, if there is anything I can do to help in that matter - never hesitate to contact me, please. Ikoch (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Archived

Translation system

  • fuzzybot is slow or misses some updates completely?
    • When the site was updated a lot of pages that had been updated and marked for translation in recent years but had never shown up in the translation system suddenly showed up in the list of translatable pages needing updating.
    • Recently some pages were updated and marked for translation but have not shown up in the translation system 3 days later! Does the old problem persist?
    • e.g. Kdenlive/Manual was updated and marked for translation on July 20. The Danish translation has not been updated as of July 23. but the page reports it is 100% complete. As of July 25. the pages seems to have been processed.
  • The glitch discussed in the last messages of this thread.
  • If a page has been marked for translation, and fuzzybot has not yet handled it, it will none the less seem to be translatable when entering the translation page from a previously translated version of that page. If newly added units are then translated, they will not be entered properly into the system.

    For a demonstration of this behaviour see Kdenlive/Manual/Effects And Transitions/uk I recently split the very long table into many new units, marked the page for translation and then proceeded to enter the individual rows from the original Ukrainian translation in their respective units. The result was that the content of the table appeared untranslated. In the translation page all units appeared to hold translated content, but nothing was saved. (When the Effects and Transitions page was finally ready to be translated all new units had to be translated again — everything that had been entered into new units had been lost).

    As far as I can tell, this only affects pages that have been translated prior to being modified, and only languages that had translated (some of) the original content as other languages have no link to access the translation page. This is new behaviour.

Update july 2020

Some problems with the translate system persist. See User:Claus_chr/FuzzyBot_Problems

Update October 2022

After the recent system update the translation system now works again!

Formatting issues

  • Icon template: seems to align to the top of the line rather than to the middle causing images to extend too much below the line (see Toolbox#Inserting_GUI_Icons for examples). Also compare to entered as [[File:Icon-list-add.png]].
  • Links to pages that have not been written yet used to be red - seems to be blue now as in This page does not exist - done 25.07.2019
  • The Smiley template appears way too big inside a Warning template (see Create a Page at the bottom). - done 25.07.2018
  • Numbered lists: Sometimes some of the numbers are not shown. See for example Kdenlive/Manual under Effects. This looks like a Firefox bug :( tested with Firefox, Firefox Nightly and Chromium and only Chromium didn't have this issue. - 14.12.2020: Problem may have resolved itself.
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