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Consistency between application pages

In my opinion, there are serious consistency issues between various application pages: Kontact, Amarok, Kopete and Konqueror all appear to be quite different in layout, some more different then others. I think a single, consistent application template needs to be created and applied to these pages and any others that are spied as being inconsistent. The madman 22:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

My personal preference is for such consistency, but the rule 'he who does the work gets to decide' does apply. Certain pages were written by the application team, and they choose the format. However, it is a wiki. If you think you can improve the layout there's nothing to stop you doing so. I'm personally reluctant to work on other folks' additions unless invited to do so ;-) --annew 12:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

I actually was going to approach the problem as soon as I saw it, but there was another problem: if there were just two templates going, one that older apps were using and one that was newer, it would be a no-brainer; however, there's actually closer to four or five different templates floating around and being used by different applications.

Multilanguage

Are there any plans to have pages in other language than english? In Techbase it is really nice to have it. Specially users are frequently using only there native language. Cheers. --Mark Ziegler 12:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The multilanguage template is in place, see (and use) this template. --danimo 16:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Should we add i18n template to every page or just for main pages? --Mark Ziegler 09:59, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible to just provide a wiki platform, and let users to fill it in our own native language instead of translating the original page? I mean, for example, make a page http://userbase.kde.org/zh_TW/ or a site called http://zh_TW.userbase.kde.org/. -- Franklin

The problem as I see it is that information would not be exchanged across all available languages. I don't know the answer to that, so would welcome any suggestions. --annew 09:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I do not see any problem, this is how wikipedia.org work. If needed, we can develop a script to do some verifications accross all userbase wiki. What do you think about that? --Sheedy 05:45, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean it would be possible to pick up content from any language and have it translated to all the other languages? Even if it could only be done to English plus three or four languages it would be awesome. This is way beyond my capability, so please tell us more about what you envisage. --annew 20:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, nice initiative for KDE fans! Uh, just raising a question here. Should the Random page link really take you to a page in a different language? I personally guess not. Not much fun / use / value in being redirected to a random chinese page (obviously I can't read chinese). Any other opinions?

Fair point, but I think it might need webdev/php skills to do anything about that, and I don't have them. Sorry. --annew 16:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Having Mediawiki installation per language like in Wikipedia would solve this, among other things. --Usp 14:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

You could well be right, but implementation is non-trivial, and we just don't have the man-power. If you are in a position to help with such an implementation, please join us on freenode IRC, channel #kde-www, to discuss it. --annew 16:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Do Userbase has this plan ? If zh.userbase.kde.org comes true , conversion between zh_CN and zh_TW will be very very easy by Mediawiki's ZhConversion.php . I don't need to modify manually .--Qiii2006 05:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, at this time I don't know enough about the subject, and neverendingo is on vacation, so I can't discuss it with him. My first impression is that a name-space would have to be created for every possible language, then every single page would have to be copied and pasted into a newly-created page using that name-space, and finally the original one deleted. I'll read up some more this week, to make sure that I've understood it correctly. We have been saying for ages that we need to organise a 'sprint' so that we can get together and work on various issues - this is certainly one that would benefit from such a meeting. I'll let you know if I find out anything more useful. --annew 09:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

KDE versions

How can we easily indicate at each page, for which KDE version this information is valid ? Maybe some templates, at least with 3.x, 4.x, distribution-specific. Or each app can have box on their page with info about "what you have to do to have this app on your system". So for example for konqueror there will write that it is available in every kde install. For plasmoids there will be info that you need kde4 and packages this and that. Etc. --Ajuc 15:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I vote for it. Having a small indicator for kde3 or kde4 would be nice. --Mark Ziegler 11:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I would like to see that, as well as indicators for skill levels where appropriate. To get started we really need some dedicated icons, though. I don't think they need to be as detailed as oxygen icons, so maybe this is something we could do ourselves? Open to suggestions on that.

I just created two templates for those:

Note: See follow-up below

Please put comments in the Discussion tab of Template:KDE3 and Template:KDE4 if there's something you need done with it. --Jucato

It was decided that the KDE4 tag is redundant so it was removed. The default information that should be on the wiki is for KDE 4. Only KDE3-specific information needs to be tagged with {{KDE3}}. All references to the KDE4 tag have been removed. --Jucato

Also, suggestions on form of icon - a circle with KDEx? circle with Skillx? They may be difficult to read at small sizes. Please give us some ideas. --annew 11:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

hm, what about things that are written for 4.2 only for example (new features)? could it be done that the changes appear then when 4.2 is released? and perhaps a new icon is needed then to distinguish 4.1 and 4.2. Katastrophe 00:23, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The contents of the wiki should reflect information about the current stable release when it's available. Features planned for future releases can be found in [1] while new features or changes are provided in release announcements. For features that are available in the current stable but not in previous stable releases, those should just be noted when appropriate. I don't think a separate icon tag is necessary.

However, when a new feature like that is added it would be wise to mention which version first carries it. --annew 07:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

KDE4 feature from KDE 3

There is a very useful feature in KDE 3 that I am waiting for in KDE 4. The ability to click anywhere on the desktop and have it pull up my application menu. I do not know what this feature is officially called, but This is really the last big piece of functionality that I am waiting on before taking the plunge to KDE 4 on all of my machines.

Please, keep up the good work.

--Eric

Please record wishes on bugs.kde.org - developers may not see these pages. --annew 11:55, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed (I think)! There is now a configuration dialogue for desktop/mouse actions, including left-click, right-click, middle-click and scroll-wheel, I believe. Coming in 4.4. The madman 14:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Rendering in different browsers

Moved to http://userbase.kde.org/Userbase_Technical_Issues

OpenID issues

Moved to http://userbase.kde.org/Userbase_Technical_Issues

Length of this page

To make reading easier I propose that we clean up this page from time to time, removing threads that are resolved for the present. On this occasion I propose to remove

Content from http://wiki.kde.org/

Icons on the main page

Dictionary page with terms not known by non-linux users and

User name/password login

unless I hear objections in the next 24 hours. Bear in mind that it is possible to retrieve text from History, should it be necessary. --annew 14:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I would be good to have a page where we can discuss about technical issues. IMHO users should start here to ask for content or to place their ideas, technical issues should not be discussed here --Mark Ziegler 14:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

http://userbase.kde.org/Userbase_Technical_Issues --annew 17:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Stubs and empty pages

Moved to http://userbase.kde.org/Userbase_Technical_Issues

Please help make documentation more visual

I noticed many pages in the documentation wiki are text only (that goes for techbase too), for example: Plasma [2] New users reading that might have no idea what that page is about.

In truth I had found that applications do have a screenshot (such as Okular [3]), but I don't think it is enough.

--BogdanBiv 08:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)!

I do agree. It was never intended to be enough - merely a starter. Do help us improve this. Collect suitable images and upload them with the link on the left, then add them in at appropriate places. The more people that contribute, the better the resource will be. --annew 20:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Plasmoid shell: I hate it...

(Trolling removed) Please take user questions to a user mailing list. --annew 10:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Dutch translation UserBase

I am working on the Dutch translation of the UserBase. So far, I have finished the page Welcome_to_KDE_UserBase_(nl). The linked pages are not yet translated, but I will start with that soon. The next step is to make a link to this page on the home page. To do this, I will first read the instructions. I understand that the translation system will change shortly, but that it has no influence om what I have done so far. The page http://userbase.kde.org/Template:I18n/Language_Navigation_BarFoo_%28nl%29, which I was not supposed to create, can be removed. Hannie

OK - I can remove that for you. There was a typo in the template, which stopped Nederlands showing up. I've corrected it, and now your translated page is correctly linked to the main page. In future you will be able to use the language bar to create your translated pages :-)

It's strange that no-one noticed, or told me that they'd noticed, the problem before. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. --annew 18:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)